In this throwback episode Zach and Kevin feature Dr. Bob Convissar, a pioneer in laser dentistry with over 32 years of experience. He's a prolific author, lecturer, and practitioner who began his career after graduating from NYU in 1980 and acquiring a unique, century-old dental practice in New York City

The main topic is the ABC's of Laser Dentistry, starting with a critical distinction between true lasers (like CO2​ and Erbium) and devices often called lasers but primarily used as hot glass tips (like diodes). Bob explains that diodes, which can operate at extremely high temperatures (750∘C to 1500∘C), work thermally, creating a burn, while CO2​ and Erbium lasers are absorbed by the water in soft tissue and vaporize it at 100∘C.

He emphasizes that the CO2​ laser is the best option for general dentists doing soft tissue work, as it creates a much smaller zone of necrosis (thermal damage) than ElectroSurge or diode lasers, leading to better healing. He also offers a crucial financial perspective, arguing that while a CO2​ laser may have a higher initial purchase price (around $30,000), its lack of expensive disposable tips makes it a more cost-effective long-term investment than a cheaper diode laser (like a Picasso) with high operating expenses (potentially $18,000 in tips per year).

For a multi-faceted approach, he recommends dentists invest in a CO2​ laser, a modern air abrasion unit, and a Photobiomodulation (PBM) laser (around $2,000 to $3,000). PBM lasers are purely palliative and can be used for pain management, like treating TMJ issues or for analgesia on deciduous teeth, and for promoting healing after invasive procedures.

Finally, Bob stresses that the most crucial factor in laser dentistry is training, advising listeners that any course focusing on only one manufacturer or wavelength is likely a sales pitch, not a comprehensive educational seminar. He promotes his widely used textbook, Principles and Practice of Laser Dentistry

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

This episode features host Mohammed Abo-Basha's conversation with his classmate, Garrett Davis. They talked about his experience on a senior year dental externship at a Federally Qualified Health Center (FQHC).

 Key takeaways:

• Senior Externship Experience: Guest Garrett discusses his dental externship at a Federally Qualified Health Center (FQHC), contrasting it with the slow pace of dental school.

• Increased Patient Load: He was excited to move to a realistic, faster-paced schedule, seeing approximately eight patients a day (compared to two in school).

• Biggest Concern: His main apprehension was managing deep caries with less oversight from faculty.

• Workflow Differences: Garrett appreciated the realistic workflow and the support of competent dental assistants who took over many setup and cleanup tasks.

• Clinical Growth: He gained significant improvement in speed, confidence, and proficiency, particularly with Removable Partial Denture (RPD) procedures, which were completed in 30 minutes instead of the three hours allotted in school.

• Board Exam Advice: Garrett shared advice for the INBDE and OSCE, recommending using a study plan like Bootcamp, focusing on practice questions, and scheduling the two exams close together.

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It isn't very often that I get to interview a legend, but this episode is one of those. I had the chance to sit down with Dr. Joe Massad who has been educating dentists about removable prosthodontics for decades. Last weekend Joe lectured to the Francis B. Vedder Society at their fall meeting up in northwestern Michigan and he didn't disappoint. I had a chance to sit down and talk to Joe about the concepts he was teaching and how he learned them. 

Joe discussed techniques such as the neutral zone concept, cameograms and gothic arch tracing. He emphasizes the importance of accurate records, patient involvement in the process, and the need for lab precision. He also touched on his innovative approaches to digital dentistry and the benefits of offering patients secondary dentures. This insightful conversation offers valuable takeaways for any dental professional looking to excel in removable prosthodontics.

Some links from the show:

• Vedder Society
• Massad Tray website 
• Joe's textbook on the neutral zone

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Alan reflects on the value of specialization in dentistry after attending a meeting where he saw a presentation by Dr. Joe Massad, a renowned specialist in removable prosthodontics. Alan discusses how Dr. Massad's focused expertise allows for a streamlined, efficient practice and attracts a specific type of patient, leading to greater predictability and success in treatment. Alan contrasts this with the challenges of being a general dentist who performs a wide range of procedures, highlighting how a lack of specialization can make it difficult to gain mastery and efficiency in specific areas. A dentist, who hones in on a specific niche can gain significant advantages through focused expertise, efficient systems, and the ability to attract patients who are already committed to a particular type of treatment.

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Host Mohamed Abo-Basha provides a solo update on his fourth year of dental school. He discusses his busy schedule, which includes studying for the new Integrated National Board Dental Examination (NBDE) and the Objective Structured Clinical Examination (OSCE). He also shares his experiences with classes, including a senior seminar paper and presentation on Guided Biofilm Therapy, and a practice management course. He mentions his progress in clinical requirements, particularly in endo and removable prosthodontics, and a goal of completing four more quads of SRP. Finally, he looks ahead to upcoming challenges, including the ADEX clinical exam, externships, and his search for an associateship position.

Some links from the show:

• Guided Biofilm Therapy
• Dental Decks
• DAT Bootcamp

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The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist!

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Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Alan welcomes back Dr. Dawn Grimes to talk about burnout. Lately it seems like social media can't stop talking about it and they both have some things to say about it!

They define burnout as emotional, physical, and mental exhaustion from prolonged stress, arguing it's not unique to dentistry. Dawn asserts that a poor relationship with stress, a lack of resilience, and unrealistic expectations—often fueled by social media—are the real causes. They suggest that instead of quitting or hiring a coach, dentists should reframe their perspective, manage expectations, and take practical steps to improve their lives both in and out of the office.

Key Takeaways

• Burnout is real, but it's not unique to dentistry. It’s the result of prolonged, unmanaged stress from any demanding part of life or work.

• Social media can worsen burnout. The algorithm feeds you more of what you look at, so lingering on videos about burnout can make you feel worse. The constant comparison to a curated, glamorous online presence creates unrealistic expectations for your own life and career.

• A "coach" may not be the answer. The hosts question the credibility of coaches who no longer practice clinical dentistry, suggesting that their advice may be disconnected from the day-to-day realities of the job.

• The only thing you can change is yourself. Rather than trying to change your job or circumstances, you should focus on changing your reactions to problems. This is a core part of developing resilience, which allows you to let go of negative experiences and start over.

• Rumination makes things worse. Dwelling on past mistakes or bad days (internal rumination) or consuming content about burnout (external rumination) reinforces negativity and prevents you from moving forward

• Meditation is a powerful tool. It helps you train your brain to let go of unhelpful thoughts and focus on the present moment, which is the key to building resilience and managing stress.

• Maintain perspective. Remember that dentistry is a well-paying profession and many other jobs are physically and emotionally harder. Accepting that life and work are often challenging is the first step toward finding peace.

• You have control. You can manage your social media algorithm by engaging with positive content like dog videos, mountain bike content or clips of cooking very tiny food! Like and highlight the things that are joyful and light on social media and the algorithm will do the rest. 

Some links from the show:

• Real Happiness at Work, by Sharon Salzburg
• The Four Agreements, by Don Miguel Ruiz
• How to Avoid Burnout with Dr. Frank Spear
• AME: 5 Things You Can Do to Fight Burnout
• Dental Hacks Extra: The Burnout Bonus

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Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

This throwback episode of the Very Clinical podcast features hosts Zach and Kevin discussing the value of continuing education (CE) with special guests Dr. Erin Elliott and Dr. Tim Anderson!

They share amusing anecdotes about their worst CE experiences, including a condescending lecturer and courses that didn't deliver on their promises. The conversation then shifts to a more positive outlook, focusing on modern dental practices. Dr. Elliott, a sleep apnea expert, and Dr. Anderson, a 3D printing specialist, highlight the importance of team-driven growth and how live, interactive courses are essential for successful implementation and patient care. They also touch on the growing public awareness of sleep issues and the political challenges dentists face in treating sleep apnea. The episode wraps up with a nod to their upcoming courses and the importance of professional development and collaboration.

Some links from the show:

• 3D Dentists
• Voices of Dentistry

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The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist!

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Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Alan reflects on his 27 years in dentistry, revealing how his past struggles with addiction and a conservative approach to treatment planning have impacted his practice. He admits he often defaults to a "watch-and-wait" approach in gray-area cases, feeling a need to save patients money or fearing they will say no to treatment. He worries this may lead to more complex and expensive procedures down the road, benefiting neither the patient nor his business.

Alan challenges himself to be more assertive in presenting a full range of treatment options, allowing patients to make their own decisions. He believes this shift is crucial for both his professional growth and the long-term well-being of his patients.

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The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist!

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Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Alan is once again joined by Dr. Matt Standridge. The episode was recorded live at a Voices of Dentistry event following Matt's presentation on "Simplified Smile Design."

Matt and Alan explore how a person becomes an expert, from their beginnings on forums like Dentaltown to Matt's current role as an industry educator. They discuss the difference between genuine experience and the illusion of expertise created by social media, and how both can impact the way dentists learn. Matt shares valuable lessons learned from his own journey, including the importance of setting boundaries and the value of detaching from the stress of a clinical practice. He also opens up about his recent decision to sell his practice and what it's like to transition from an owner to an associate.

Some links from the show:

• Voices of Dentistry
• Matt's website with all his course info
• Matt's "Clear Aligner Therapy" course at 3D Dentists
• The AOS Clear Aligner Bootcamp
• Matt's Instagram

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The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist!

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Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

In this episode of the Very Clinical Podcast, hosts Zach and Kevin chat with guest Dr. Allie Frounfelter about digital dentistry and the process of creating "trial smiles." Allie, a self-proclaimed "trial smile queen," details the steps of designing, 3D printing, and fitting a temporary smile for patients so they can preview their results before committing to treatment.

She explains the benefits of this modern approach, including improved patient confidence and better-fitting temporary restorations, which leads to healthier gums. Allie also discusses the shift in dentistry toward more fulfilling, life-changing procedures and shares that even if she won the lottery, she would continue doing this kind of work. 

The conversation concludes with a discussion about the essential tools needed to implement this process, emphasizing that a 3D printer is the most crucial piece of equipment for a dentist to own.

Some links from the show:

• Roe Dental Lab: For dentists looking to outsource the design and printing of Trial Smiles.

• 3D Dentists: To learn more about Dr. Frounfelter's Trial Smile class and other dental continuing education courses.

• Dr. Allie Frounfelter's Instagram: A great resource to see examples of her dentistry and patient reactions to their Trial Smiles.

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The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist!

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Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Alan shares his frustrating experience with AT&T's poor customer service after his office's phones went down. The ordeal leads him to develop a theory about the inverse relationship between demand for a service and the need for excellent customer service.

He explains that businesses like AT&T, which provide essential services with high demand and low-elasticity, can get away with poor service because it's difficult for customers to switch. On the other hand, professions like dentistry, which operate in a more competitive market, must provide great service to retain patients. Al's negative experience with AT&T highlighted the importance of treating his patients well, especially since they have other options. He emphasizes that providing excellent customer service isn't just a business strategy; it's the right thing to do.

Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Timmerman," Hornbrook," "Gary," "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!"

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Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time!

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The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist!

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Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Alan brings together Dr. Lance Timmerman and Dr. Brady Smith for a lunch conversation at VoD Lite 2025. The trio discuss the unique, small-scale nature of the event, which was planned just three weeks beforehand and features a food truck instead of a hotel's expensive catering. Lance and Brady talk about their professional lives, including their pride in their respective hometowns' (Seattle and Portland) high poop-on-the-streets-per-capita and their mutual surprise at the high cost of a hard-boiled egg at hotels. They also delve into their unconventional dental practice models, with Lance discussing his use of the EMS Guided Biofilm machine and Brady explaining his two-day, 32-hour work week and his decision not to hire a hygienist. Their conversation also touches on Brady's side career as a stand-up comedian and the challenges he faces, from dealing with angry hygienists who file board complaints against him to navigating the complex and expensive world of venue rentals.

Some links from the show:

• EMS Guided Biofilm protocol
• Voices of Dentistry

Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Gary," "Timmerman," Hornbrook" or "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!"

The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us!

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Crazy Dental has everything you need from cotton rolls to equipment and everything in between and the best prices you’ll find anywhere! If you head over to verydentalpodcast.com/crazy and use coupon code “VERYDENTAL10” you’ll get another 10% off your order! Go save yourself some money and support the show all at the same time!

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The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist!

--

Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Zach and Kevin welcome Dr. Allie Frounfelter to discuss her innovative approach to cosmetic dentistry using Trial Smiles. Dr. Frounfelter shares her journey from a high-volume "bread and butter" dental practice to a more balanced and fulfilling one, emphasizing the importance of slowing down to speed up. The episode details the step-by-step process of creating and using a 3D-printed resin shell, or Trial Smile, to help patients visualize their potential new smile. Dr. Frounfelter also highlights the importance of incorporating the entire dental team in the process and discusses how this patient-centered approach, along with the right technology and systems, has transformed her practice.

Key Takeaways

• Invest in Digital Technology: Dr. Frounfelter and her husband significantly transformed their practice by investing in digital tools, including a CBCT, intraoral scanner, and 3D printer. They initially sought a CBCT but came back from a conference with a full suite of digital tools.

• The Trial Smile Process: A Trial Smile is a thin, 3D-printed resin shell that fits over a patient's natural teeth, allowing them to try on a new smile. This is a crucial step in cosmetic dentistry consultations as it offers a tangible "try before you buy" experience.

• Difference from Traditional Wax-ups: Unlike a traditional bis-acryl wax-up, a Trial Smile is easily placed and removed, making it repeatable and mess-free. This allows patients to get a clear and instant before-and-after comparison.

• Team Involvement is Crucial: Allie stresses the importance of training and involving the entire team in the new workflow. Her clinical director, Brandon, handles the initial patient conversation, photos, and records, while a dental assistant, Emma, designs the smiles using specialized software like Exocad.

• Slowing Down to Speed Up: By implementing new systems and focusing on comprehensive cases, Allie and Adam were able to move away from a high-volume model that led to burnout. They now see fewer patients but generate more revenue from cosmetic and full-mouth cases.

• Outsourcing Options: If a practice lacks the necessary design software or a 3D printer, they can partner with a dental lab like Roe Dental Lab, which offers a cosmetic design service to create and even print the Trial Smile for them.

Some links from the show:

• Roe Dental Lab: For dentists looking to outsource the design and printing of Trial Smiles.

• 3D Dentists: To learn more about Dr. Frounfelter's Trial Smile class and other dental continuing education courses.

• Dr. Allie Frounfelter's Instagram: A great resource to see examples of her dentistry and patient reactions to their Trial Smiles.

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!

Alan argues that dental sealants should be treated more like restorations rather than simple preventive measures. He critiques the common practice of placing sealants without preparing the tooth, which he believes can lead to failure and hidden decay. Instead, he details his own protocol, which involves using a bur to open up and clean out the deep grooves of the tooth, often discovering stain, decalcification or even decay. He then fills these prepped grooves with a glass ionomer material. Alan asserts that this more involved approach results in a highly durable, decay-resistant solution that he feels far more confident in than traditional sealants.

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• Fuji IX
• Microcopy Pit and Fissure bur
• Microcopy "small pear"
• Microcopy fine egg finisher
• Microcopy very fine egg finisher
• Ultradent Permaseal

Join the Very Dental Facebook group using the password "Timmerman," Hornbrook," "Gary," "McWethy," "Papa Randy" or "Lipscomb!"

The Very Dental Podcast network is and will remain free to download. If you’d like to support the shows you love at Very Dental then show a little love to the people that support us!

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The Wonderist Agency is basically a one stop shop for marketing your practice and your brand. From logo redesign to a full service marketing plan, the folks at Wonderist have you covered! Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/wonderist!

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Enova Illumination makes the very best in loupes and headlights, including their new ergonomic angled prism loupes! They also distribute loupe mounted cameras and even the amazing line of Zumax microscopes! If you want to help out the podcast while upping your magnification and headlight game, you need to head over to verydentalpodcast.com/enova to see their whole line of products!

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CAD-Ray offers the best service on a wide variety of digital scanners, printers, mills and even  their very own browser based design software, Clinux! CAD-Ray has been a huge supporter of the Very Dental Podcast Network and I can tell you that you’ll get no better service on everything digital dentistry than the folks from CAD-Ray. Go check them out at verydentalpodcast.com/CADRay!